10 Things they don’t tell you when you start a Forever Living Business


You may have heard the success stories about people earning a 6  figure salary by setting up a Forever Living Business and working part time hours either alongside their full time jobs or as a main source of income. I was certainly inspired by the countless plethora of Youtube videos that indicated quite aggressively, the promise of financial freedom, 5 Star holidays, a car…blah blah blah.

It’s true that there are some people out there that have succeeded with Forever Living, but believe me, this is a very small minority.

I joined  Forever Living in August last year when my husband was looking for a job, I knew from the very start that it wasn’t going to be a ‘get rich quickly scheme’, but I thought long term, this could have amazing benefits for us. I  have a fairly good head for business and oodles of experience in retail, so I really got to work with setting up my business, getting my name out there and talking to people about the products and the opportunity.

Against the advice of the people around me, who warned that it was a Pyramid scheme and that I was a fool for spending £200 on my starter kit, I boasted that I would be able to prove everyone wrong. However as the months progressed and I failed to even so much as make my money back for the £200 on the box (not to mention all the other hidden costs that they don’t tell you about…which I will explain later). It was apparent that Forever Living is now a saturated marketplace and around 90% of people that have joined, barely break even let alone make any profit from this.

My biggest regret is that I didn’t do some more research before I spent my money….and more regrettably a large amount of my time,  spamming my friends on social media.

Here are the 10 things they don’t tell you;

1 . It pretty much is a Pyramid scheme, the only thing that makes it legal is that you are in possession of a starter kit, so you aren’t just giving your own money away with nothing in return. The first thing that your sponsor will tell you is that not a pyramid scheme, (as this is on the training script that is rammed down your throat when you start.)

2. Your starter kit is not enough to form a product display or run a stall, if you really want to showcase your products to make a sale, then you will have to buy more……a lot more.

3. As well as your £200 box, you are also faced with another number of other expenses that are critical to running your business- examples are as follows

  •  Business Cards- Around £50
  •  Monthly subscription to have a website and online training portal (£10 a month), which is virtually impossible to cancel without signing in blood.
  •  Additional products including the Clean9 detox kit   (heaven forbid you call                             it a detox kit  on social media as the company can get into a lot of trouble, because evidently it’s not proven to be a detox) You will probably spend another £300 on this to get enough stock to hold a product launch or stall
  • Public Liability insurance £20
  • Hiring Stalls at local fairs and events ..£25 a time
  • Facebook Boost to increase your traffic..£30 a month
  • Attending the mandatory Success conference £50

4. It’s definitely not a job you can succeed in part time. I spent about 4 hours every evening, and after 3 months….we had sold one ‘detox plan’ (£109)and a bottle of cream (£14)….no that’s really it.

5. In order to reach your target and get any commission whatsoever, you need to sell about £800 of stock in a 2 month period.

6. The products due to their extortionate margins (the big earners have to earn somehow), are virtually impossible to sell.  Who wants to spend £14 on a bottle of deep heat …oh sorry …deep heat with Aloe Vera in it. If you have rich friends, then you maybe, just maybe in with a chance.

7. There are a number of websites and social media groups that you can use to find stalls and events. (You need to run stalls to build up your customer base and recruit your ‘downline’.) However with so many people doing Forever Living, I was never able to bag a stall because people had booked all the stalls for the whole year. ( I literally had notifications on my mobile everytime an event was uploaded and one of my greedy fellow business owners had bagged it within around 7 seconds).

8. You are trained to lie on social media and make your life so much better than it actually is. You’re encouraged to post inspirational quotes  and photos of you enjoying yourself on holiday all the time, even if that means recycling old holiday pics throughout the year. Also you have to remove everything from social media that has any sort of opinion or negativity.  So basically you have to be a social media robot. Additionally you are encouraged to conjure up stories at your product launches, like how your drinking gels have cured a 95 year old arthritis sufferer that was in a wheelchair ,but is now running the marathon……that sort of thing.

9. Your friends get fed up with you and unfriend you….I was warned of this, but literally I lost about 150 contacts with the constant spamming and invites to launches and events.

10. Forever boasts that it is a generous company and award people on their merits, which is certainly true for any Multi- Level Marketing company. However the high -earners are so obsessed with making money and boasting about how much they have earned ,that they forget those at the bottom of the food chain that need a different level of motivation in terms of training and support….. because there’s certainly no cash flow at this end.

My advice would be to avoid Forever Living ,unless you can commit to it full time, without any need to earn any money in the first few months, and make sure you have a lot of gullible and rich friends that will buy the products…. and keep buying them. The company doesn’t hold an awful lot of integrity or transparency which is why you have to exaggerate the truth to other people, and unless you are extremely lucky (or you poison the other 6000 business owners within your 10 mile radius)…you just won’t make any money.

38 thoughts on “10 Things they don’t tell you when you start a Forever Living Business

  1. Steve January 4, 2017 / 6:18 pm

    Great post and great advice. Hopefully it will open up people’s eyes to the reality of it all

    Liked by 1 person

    • The Gay Stepdad January 4, 2017 / 6:23 pm

      I was certainly fooled, I probably should have known from the start when my manager couldn’t spell for shit, that It wasn’t a company designed for people with an IQ greater than 4. I hope people wise up to it, there is a lot of money being handed over to start up and many don’t last 5 minutes.


      • Steve January 4, 2017 / 6:29 pm

        My rule of thumb, if it sounds too good to be true it then it probs is

        Liked by 1 person

      • Zuleikha November 27, 2020 / 4:10 pm

        Omg, I don’t know what to say. You see, ForrverLiving aloe have told me so many inspirational and amazing stories and I was like woooow! However, look at this, whilst I was talking to the sponsor they were running me through the online start up joining part, it was like they were wanted me to join now pay, so I clicked and entered my card but strangely my card did not submit….. so ofcourse i lied to the sponsor and say hey it did pass. Etc. I was excited but a little voice came… like, hold on a second. they have not told me how will i sell and IF I AM 100% READY TO BUY THE STARTER PACK! This doubt and uncertainties made me search the failure of that company and thank God, it was sign not to go for it.
        1. Not much info on how will I be selling.
        2. Omg, so I have to spend and sell!

        Thank you so much!


      • Shaf Hussain May 4, 2021 / 2:39 pm

        Hi! I am feeling the same as you about joining? I have a lot of unused products that I want to return. Will I get my money back? I cant do this full time. Its exhausting! Can you pm me back on FB at Shaf Hussain pls


  2. citygirlrell January 4, 2017 / 8:25 pm

    I started Herbalife around 2 years ago. I didnt really put in any effort to try and make a success out of it. If it works for someone else then great but it definitely was not for me. I do agree with most of your point though.

    Foirell | http://www.citygirlrell.com

    Liked by 1 person

  3. Ariel Theresa January 4, 2017 / 8:50 pm

    This is pretty scary. I just signed up to sell some things, but I am deathly afraid it is a pyramid scheme. It seems that every day there are new ways people try to “get you”. I am so sorry this happened to you. Thanks for sharing, and hopefully people steer clear now that they know!!

    Liked by 1 person

  4. Lisa Sell January 4, 2017 / 8:50 pm

    The good thing to come out of this is you’ve used humility in warning others from your mistake. Good on you for doing that. People who run these things are scumbags.

    Liked by 1 person

  5. Bianca January 4, 2017 / 9:08 pm

    I tried a few mlm’s and couldn’t handle the dishonesty…I would rather spend the same money and time on building my own business and not that of my upline.

    Liked by 1 person

    • The Gay Stepdad January 5, 2017 / 7:34 am

      I know right?


  6. The Real Chicago Kelley January 5, 2017 / 3:27 am

    Ahhh, I’m so glad to see someone tell the truth about companies like this one, though I’m genuinely sorry to hear you had to learn about them the hard way. The only thing I can figure about the ones who succeed in pyramid schemes is that they are so damn pushy, they really don’t care how much they annoy others. Onward to better things for you!

    Liked by 1 person

    • Alistair moyes November 14, 2018 / 4:49 pm

      The company is part of the DSA has investor in people award and has traded successfully 40 years would it have survived if this was what it was?


      • Dora May 6, 2019 / 12:04 pm

        You do realise that the DSA was set up by MLMs? The investors in people award was given for the training given to their head office staff. Nothing to do with the reps. And just because they manage to trade for 40 years by staying on just the right side of the law, doesn’t make it any less of a pyramid scheme. Eventually these companies will be shut down.


    • Zuleikha November 27, 2020 / 4:12 pm



  7. Mom Of Two Little Girls January 17, 2017 / 5:52 am

    I know people who are ‘agents’ in zimbabwe and it did work for them initially but like you said, once the market is saturated, it’s not worth it.
    Have you heard of Arbonne? They are big in Australia and New Zealand – not sure about elsewhere though.

    Liked by 1 person

    • Gay Stepdad January 17, 2017 / 8:36 am

      Yes I know a few Arbonne reps from some of the groups I joined. I think I’ll just leave multi level marketing well alone.

      Liked by 1 person

    • Kurt Henriksen February 21, 2019 / 11:55 am

      Argonne isonly in some few. Countries and for that reason the world wide business is limited. I don’t know why the company don’t expand there business as I has a very good report about the Eric and business.


  8. Em Linthorpe March 16, 2017 / 12:34 pm

    Ugh. Some relative of my partner sells this pap, and it’s all she ever goes on about. She was pushy as hell, sent me free samples. Trying to flog it wasn’t enough though, she was desperate to sign me up as a “team member” or whatever. She’s mainly took the hint now, although she in boxed me a week ago offering me a £20 referral fee if I signed anyone up for her 😂 I ignored.

    I’m glad you saw the light, man. The whole set-up is a disease, in my eyes. I can’t blame anyone for wanting to earn money but these barely legal, brainwashing systems are poisonous.


  9. ex forever living girl April 11, 2017 / 3:00 pm

    thanks for your opinion…..i just signed up for this forever living products (on 14 march 2017), at first i cant sleep cause thinking about the bonus and incentive that will be given by THE HQ. but i just realized that it wont work if you cant get repeating order, and the top will always top…..and the bottom will be the bottom, i dont know its pyramid or what….BUT i really really feel that just being used from the top (upline). although the product ma be good but their sales actually based on ‘must repeating order’, “find new distibutor” tell them make same work….oh…….tired of this, i think better we make our own bussiness…..please people out there, dont make your LOAN for this kind of bussiness….it will ruin your life, to use it okey and do not join, just buy product its okey…..if you dont have strong money or strong downline, it also wont work……thats all


    • Geoffrey wanjala May 2, 2019 / 3:46 pm

      That’s a good idea sister,you have brain washed me I was intending to join.


  10. Jane Manby July 14, 2017 / 6:00 pm

    I am in a big row in am home ed self employed group I have been well and truly jumped on by those selling in mlm. I have been dissed and told I will see the bad in every thing. I replied that it wasn’t difficult to find the bad to see in mlm. I was told that people should be able to decide for themselves.. my reply.. how can they if they are not told the truth. People are being led to believe you can earn a full time income from home around the kids. At 25% you would need to sell £6000 a month just to hit the average wage where we live and that does not include costs you incur. Was surprised at the venom of some people in their defense of mlm. On further investigation while they say they are earning a full time wage they then say they have benefits and come under the permitted earnings rules I’m just waiting for the people who run this group to shut the thread down. I hope you don’t mind I put them a link to your blog.


  11. Masha August 6, 2017 / 9:54 pm

    wow, I didn’t know about this. Great post.


  12. Masha August 6, 2017 / 9:55 pm

    wow, I didn’t know about all this. Great post.


  13. Riderbay October 4, 2017 / 8:43 pm

    Just came across this. I have felt for some time I need to express my views as an ex distributor, now called a Forever Business Owner. ( you do not own this business the guy in America does) we know where you come from. We were at a vulnerable place when we joined FLP many years ago. We bought into the “dream”‘and plugged right in. We SO wanted to succeed and make it work. .It is a “legal” pyramid scheme. Legal, because they ensure products are sold. Pyramid scheme, because there is a 95% failure rate and they rely on this and it is based on recruitment to succeed as you can never succeeed if you just sell product. They omit to tell you that as the distributors, YOU are the customers. Anyone who can retail an income on top of your “wholesale” price is lying. The prices and competition is/ are far too high. We had done is for years and kidded ourselves we were going to do it and make it succeed. We paid out £100.s regularly for demonstration stock, trainings and monthly “must go to” CULT meetings to get you going with feel good brainwashing!!! It was FUN….. BUT it cost us a fortune, and we kidded ourselves we had to do this to succeed to get the good life on offer.
    After a while and when serious business questions kept being unanswered as being “negative” we saw the light and stopped wasting our money. The Products ARE good, and reluctantly, we still buy them as they contribute to our health BUT this IS what else they succeed on……. if 95% failure rate just end up buying the product for themselves, then the SHILL,s , as the Amercans call them at the top, will continue to make a fortune. I can name the top UK couple after 10 years …. they constantly sell their story and we all decide “we can do that too” and of course you can’t…. they have no answer to a business that has a 95% failure rate. In true CULT form, if you question anything, you are negative and it is your fault why you don’t succeed. We got to level 4 on the scheme, it cost us £1000’s, we trained others……. my core values in the end overcame the total CULT bull shit and I would say avoid, this business unless you have a load of extra money to invest or you will be made to feel a failure. The Company trainings all COST you money, and you are told you will not succeeed unless you plug into everything. It is a “bait n switch” business. Nobody will admit how much it has cost them to get you to sign up. The £200 kit us not enough to build your business.
    On the plus side…. we were in such a low place when we joined, the enthusiasm and really nice people we met, really helped us on a personal level. There are some very nice people that do this business, however, we cannot live on that and it was costing too much. We still keep in touch with good friends. Some still are taken in by it, but now we have kept away from the costly brainwashing, we can see the bigger picture. We have learnt a lot from them, some good and a lot bad. You just choose your conversations carefully!
    Because they are so good at promoting and overcoming any negative comments, they will continue to recruit BUT, remember although part of it is fun, you will loose friends and colleagues, and it is really hard to admit you have been taken in. Many will defend them to the hilt, even if it is costing them a fortune…. the CULT brainwashing is very clever and if you complain, you are a negative failure and it is your fault…. so most ex distributors will keep quiet OR aggressively attack you for speaking about it.
    I hope this helps you decide if this business is for you or not. It is a huge business and vastly wealthy. If you join with the basic product kit , you will join at Supervisor level
    I would rename this as “Victim level”!!!! In hindsight!!
    The above are all my personal views and experiences in this particular business.


  14. Naziha November 8, 2018 / 7:46 pm

    Haha. really enjoyed the article and the comments. Have joined a couple of months back and am at the moment quite “taken in”. Would love to come back and share my experience one or two years down the line.


    • Dora May 6, 2019 / 12:09 pm

      So how are you doing after a year?


  15. Aderemi January 27, 2019 / 5:35 pm

    The truth is, network marketing isn’t cheap, forget the mentality to make it over night..it has same ups and downs like every other businesses out there but it comes with a low risk and a great reward if you work on personal development. You got to improve your knowledge in order to improve your income. You got to work if you want to be a million income earner

    Liked by 1 person

  16. Chirag Aggarwal March 16, 2019 / 11:45 am

    It’s a story of failure person who isn’t able to accept it and blaming the Forever Company. I saw the number of people who were nothing when they started Forever in India and now they are the receving check of million dollars in a few years. The secret is they are aligned to their goals and knows it’s the way to luxury life but have to work hard with smart strategies.

    When people said they can’t able to do sell the products as they are not salesmen. But we all are the salesman who is selling something big to our Employee that’s our time. Yes, we getting money by selling our precious time and return we get a chiller. So, if we can work hard for others than why we hesitate to work for ownself. Have Patience and don’t back out, the success will automatically meet you with open arms.

    Liked by 1 person

    • Kulwant July 28, 2019 / 2:26 pm

      Hello Mr. Chirag. You are an Indian like me. Everybody coming into the MLM is aligned to his/her goals, whatever the company is.

      I think you may be having large team. I hope you have heard about a Forever Living Fraud in Jammu. If not, then please watch this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7gBJhhDjfw

      People were made to shell out huge amounts from INR4,00,000 (0.4Million) to INR10,00,000 (1Million) with a promise of a Manager Tag and recurring monthly income of INR75000.

      They lost money but leaders like you, seniors in the hierarchy and the fraudsters earned good income with foreign tours.

      Can you please share what is the percentage of people in your team who earn income as much as you earn.


  17. Pranjul SIngh May 8, 2019 / 4:13 pm

    So right now what you are upto , are you running some sort of your own business or something else ?
    And thanks for the feedback on the FOREVER help me lot for not getting into it for sure.


  18. MLMShyster June 8, 2019 / 6:28 pm

    In the words of Robert FitzPatrick, if an ‘opportunity’ has a >99% failure rate, that’s not an opportunity, that’s a scam.

    As others have said, it’s a pyramid scheme with a veneer of product. The ONLY way to make money is to build a huge downline, to do that you must abandon your moral compass completely. Many realise that the products are unsaleable and abandon MLM in the first year, crawling away to like their wounds and try and rebuild relationships. Others make the decision to push on with the deception, and so the victim becomes the perpetrator; telling the Income lies they were told in order to hook people in.

    if you’re told ‘just recruit five people’ and each of those 5 are told to recruit 5 people – it’s only about 13 cycles of that before you run out of world population – it just doesn’t stack up.

    Liked by 1 person

  19. Shiv July 5, 2019 / 12:23 pm

    Hi i was also asked to join forever living shoud i proceed or quit?


    • MLMShyster July 7, 2019 / 1:39 pm

      Don’t just quit, run as fast and as far away as you can. Take a look at #antimlmmovement on Twitter, the MLM Lies Exposed FB Page, the Anti MLM Coalition, the BBC documentary called Ellie Investigates the Multilevel Millionaires. Ask yourself Shiv if you’re likely to be part of the 0.03% who do well in MLM or the 99.7% who fail. I know exactly who they’ll wheel out to try and show you that FLP is a great opportunity, in reality they’re a handful of people who are happy to fleece everyone else. The reality is you’ll lose money but you may also find a culture of bullying and isolation so that when it goes wrong you find yourself not just in debt but personally damaged. I’ve seen it time and time again.

      Liked by 1 person

      • Gay Stepdad July 10, 2019 / 10:51 pm

        Yeah they’ll drag Jayne Leach out showing you her cheque.


  20. Darius Karnley November 15, 2019 / 12:00 am

    Thanks for all the wonderful pieces of advise
    I almost join this scheme base on travel
    I really appreciate all of the comments
    Especially the one who mentioned that they don’t take people that have above 4 IQ this sound funny


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